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Thanks to @offtorivendell @wingedblooms @psychee92 @merymoonbeam @lesolehabitantdelalune and others Im sure Im forgetting whom Ive spoken about with this, and whose own thoughts have certainly influenced mine and have contributed to this theory. Like maybe the Theia in ACOTAR/CC as well? - ACOSF, chapter 32. Wyrdhounds sound like the same beasts that are carved into Hewn Citys gates, pillars and the throne. HOSAB confirmed my thoughts, at least for the Asteri, in a pretty massive way. In mythology, Wyrd and Urd mean the same thing, and are represented by the three Norn sisters - they represent the past, the present, and the future. DISCLAIMER: I appreciate others may have already thought of this, i just finished HOSAB last night and my brain is reeling so I made this post to organise my thoughts/theories and wanted to share it. I dont particularly remember if there is any First Malakim alive in CCITY, so lets continue. House of Sky and Breath confirmed a long-believed fan theory that there would be a cross-over between SJM's other series. Some original world the Asteri had come from, bled so dry that theyd needed to go hunting in the wilds of space? Instead, I believe the Asteri were in Prythian BEFORE the Valg/Daglan. There is proof of this. And we will have that time. I also believe that Prince Pelias is actually Enalius - the famed Illyrian warrior. As of CC2, we are lead to believe that Aidas, Apollion and the other Princes of Hel are the misunderstood good guys, that they have been secretly fighting for Midgard liberation. Nesta couldnt help clinging to Azriel, gleaning on some innate level that if she let go, she would tumble through this space between places and be lost forever. Indeed, when Elain first comes out of the cauldron, she starts to glow (credit to @psychee92 for this catch): I suspect Elains skin started to glow here because she is now starborn. This would also explain the color of Helion and Feyre and Luciens light: a bright white, like sunlight. The Valg may not be quite as bad as the Asteri. From a time when Urd was not a goddess but a force, winding between worlds? His shadow and daemati powers are very similar to Maeves powers in ToG. Mantyx landed in a world other than Hel/The Valg Realm, and he either created, or mixed with, the beings who became the Asteri/Daglan. A millennium of peace followed .. but at the end of those thousand years, they were at each others throats, on the brink of war., Your ancestors wielded the Horn and another Fae object that allowed them to enter this world. Also, as @psychee92 has predicted, I think this might be at least part of why Elain was not there when Bryce came to Prythian. gwynethvalkyrie text post Theory about the Asteri and the Daglan, about the origin of Amren and the Fae Contains spoilers for ACOSF, HOEAB and possibly TOG and HOSAB, there is a big emphasis on the latter so you can read without worry. og only - Tumblr THEORY: The Daglan/Asteri are ruled by Mantyx, and the Prince's of Hel ruled by Orcus; Erawan's older, more powerful Valg brothers. I think that is a lie. A thrill, ICY and yet not unwelcome, flooded his veins. House of Sky and Breath spoilers and theories - Lidia and Rhun mate material - i really though Day might be Celestina or Hypaxia first but I am so happy with Lidia Amren arrived in the world of ACOTAR through a Rift that appeared in the sky, she and her brothers had just devastated two cities at the behest of their ruler. It might sound crazy, but let me break it down further. Where there was no war, no darkness. OP from. Fionn and Gwydion overthrew the Daglan. It basically says it in acosf, in chapter 68. Powerful parallels between Bryce, Theia and the Archeron sisters, Are the Archeron sisters distantly descended from the Starborn fae of the Dusk Court? It was a thing of nightmares. I've been drawing just, so many dudes, so here are some Ladies of Gondor and Shieldmaidens of Rohan! Untitled [sjmobsession.tumblr.com] Feyres thoughts about their mating bond and Rhyss minds walls are filled with descriptions of obsidian, ice, wind and darkness. Thanks to @wingedblooms, @silverlinedeyes, @merymoonbeam and @icedflames for our chats that preceded HOSABs release, which is why this popped into my head while I was reading it. But I wonder if the son actually remained in Prythian, and if that son is the direct ancestor of Helion. Whose name Helions name is a direct reference to. There seems to be some connection between Illyrians, Ramiel, the daglan/Asteri, and the Blood Rite, perhaps Enalius? It was forbidden, outlawed long before her husband and his brothers were born. Some sort of primal goddessperhaps even the Mother herself. All the Fae in that world shared their form with an animal. In CCITY, the fae, as well as other Vanir, arrived there through the Northern-Rift. Souls. 1 year ago on February 09, 2022 at 8:32 pm. The Valg may not be quite as bad as the Asteri. At least, it makes sense in my mind, and I have the quotes to write the theory out but effort. Anyways, back to her children. I theorise that the Daglan are actually the Princes of Hel. But why the f*ck would she show her powers in Azriel's bonus chapter?? Yeah its all up in the air, but if the Fae charge the land with magic every Calanmai, then the magic of the land that the Daglan drink could technically be considered theirs (and crystal channels fed firstlight through the land and into the Asteris palace). (I have a sepatare crack theory that Rhys is Orcus, as Rhys is also connected to Hades through the Hades and Persephone retelling with Feyre but that's for another day). We at last came to a throne room of polished ebony. Are "Asteri," "Valg" and "Daglan" simply clan or family names for beings of the same species, or are they, potentially, examples of intergalactic evolution fluking the creation of three different beings with similar eating habits? I know the HOEAB quote mentions that humans had once portrayed the angels as having "divine auras," but what if that wasn't strictly correct? call me nell she/her reads too much sometimes i write things , @starswhogaze Im glad I posted this, then! After reading HOSAB, though, I was still unsure, because its not a perfect fit, but its got to be something, right? It's also exactly the kind of plot twist that SJM would pull. What can they do? Nesta had tried her best to forget that night she and Amren had gone to test her so-called gift against the hoard within those unhallowed catacombs. This is continuation to my post about the Daglan, Valg, Asteri and death-gods being the same thing. History The Daglan ruled for millennia, enslaving the faeries and the humans. Please dont screenshot or share this post without credit. Even when Nesta and Cassian had sex, the sound of a "single horn" was heard. He then goes on to state that he does not follow his brother's "rules and RESTRAINTS," and the "ILLUSIONS of civilisation." It was a fire. He and NC are repeatedly linked with obsidian, which was used by Valg in ToG. But lets assume, that the High Fae and Lesser Fae are an evolution of the CCITY Fae that would be the original Fae, created by the Daglan. In the prologue of ACOSF, Nesta describes what happened in the cauldron as this: Burning through the darkness like a newborn star. This certainly seems to suggest that Nesta became starborn (literally a newborn star) in the Cauldron. Just like Pelias's horn? I love all of you, and our talks. Not only do the Valg also feed on power (the entire reason Dorian's father wiped out power in their lands), but they delight in creating misery and despair. Maeve nodded. It was. #throneofglass #acotar #crescentcity #maasiverse #sjm". Yrene's power is described as "starlight," and acts in the exact same way as Bryce's. The faeries of CCITY would be the faeries created by the Daglan, who ended up in Midgard through the portals that opened in ACOTAR, the ones that stayed evolved into what are now the High Fae and lesser faeries of ACOTAR, as well as the faeries of TOG. Azriel didnt give them a chance to exchange another word before murmuring shadows swept around them. When she was a vat of life, a mother to all, a secret language of the universe? 109. Great, scaled black beasts were carved into those gates, all coiled together in a nest of claws and fangs, sleeping and fighting, some locked in an endless cycle of devouring each other. There were no doors within thisARCHWAY.". It was so high up that gloom hid its finer details, but I knew more had been carved there, too. Orcus landed back in the Valg Realm/Hel. The Asteri feed on firstlight. Elains hair glows like the dawn on the longest night of the year. When it comes to maasverse theories, there is absolutely one thing that I am so sure about, and cannot be convinced otherwise, and that is Orcus and Mantyx are still out there. Well I think the Asteri are some kind of Valg who found out how to eat magic instead of drinking fear and hatred and other bad emotions. But some of these angels have owners because they are slaves, like Orion for example who responded to Micah who responded to the Asteri. and our Never liked to unleash. Is that not also the same goal of the Daglan and the Wild Hunt? There arent many similarities between the faeries of ACOTAR and the faeries of CCITY, we also dont know the time difference between the two worlds. During this time, the Valg/Princes of Hel either created, or stole and used the Dread Trove. If this theory is correct, it suggests that Fionn was no mere fae warrior, but was actually Orcus/Apollion. But I don't think the Valg are experiments by the Asteri/Daglan. Reddit, Inc. 2023. I believe that is incorrect. Not feeding off someone, but infecting them. He writes that she was gentle and beautiful, but that "she withered in the guarded city the shadow in the east filled her with horror, and she turned her eyes ever south to the sea that she missed." To know the kiss of the sun on her face. Now look at how the 3 Valg Kings are described in the book Yrene finds in Tower of Dawn: What's more - Yrene flips the page to reveal the 3 Valg Kings standing a top a mountain. and our We dont know how many Malakim were created, but they dont keep being made, now they maintain themselves through reproduction. His body contorted, bones and muscles growing and shifting. I don't have many headcanons about Lothiriel but I imagine she's the only person who can make Eomer trip over his own feet. . Stolen, of course, from their original mastersour people. Using the very language of existence itself, doors might be opened, however briefly, between worlds. However, after the 3 days, Apollion kills Pelias/Enalius. Elain Archeron, who was always the observant sort, even as a human, was turned into a Seer by the Cauldron that (who?) Thesan, who has eerily similar parallels with Elain, connected to the Mother, Cauldron, and Fate. I believe that the 'rules and regulations' that Thanatos spoke about were championed by Orcus himself. However, aside from that, I do believe that everything we have been told about Queen Theia and Prince Pelias - the original Starborn fae, is wrong. And one day I will make my big theory post about the IAFT (the Intergalactic Asteri Fighting Team) that I think Jesiba and Aidas are already a part of, but I suspect that the Archeron sisters, the rest of the IC, possibly the priestesses in the library, and Bryce and Co will all eventually become part of the IAFTs movement to defeat the Asteri once and for all. First, to destroy Koschei once and for all, and then to prepare for a renewed battle with the Asteri/Daglan, this time to destroy them once and for all. All rights reserved. What are their true motives? "Gwyn studied Ramiel's CRAGGY, unforgiving slope.". As for Koschei, the whole "hard to kill" thing, combined with the Fae referring to him as one of the Old Gods (like the Daglan - "near-gods") definitely feels like Asteri vibes. That made up his throne. She smelled of jasmineId never noticed that before. I suspect this is part of something larger that is happening. if the Daglan were the Under Kings of Prythian, then it makes sense for the Asteri to feed off the firstlight, and the Daglan off the secondlight, of the same food source). There are many similarities between the Valg and the Princes of Hel: They are both "demons" - a word that is not used to describe the Asteri. This sounds very Valg like. Daglan, Valg, and Asteri might all be the same. You knew, he said to Elain. And so we come back again to a possible evolution. The talons came first. Made her at ACOMAFs end. They feed on it - fear, misery, despair. The Crossing was the name given to the Vanirs arrival through the Northern-Rift and the taking of Midgard. The beasts did not feed often; they could receive a body every ten years and make it last, going into hibernation between meals. New users, please check the ABOUT section for rules and FAQ. More of the serpents from the front gates were carved herethis time, wrapped around the countless columns supporting the onyx ceiling. This is revealed when Emerie is explaining the rules and origins of The Blood Rite to Nesta and Gwyn, while they were participating in their own Blood Rite. What happened to the High King? Feyre asked. You know Im just sitting here, waiting for your IAFT post (no pressure ), with my imagination running wild. I think they're just a sister race. But, more on that on my next post, hehe :). Follow @oh-how-spicy-blog and get more of the good stuff by joining Tumblr today. ), and it has claimed that it would never harm her. However, I do not believe that all 3 SJM book series are happening at the same time, and frankly, as of yet, there is no canon evidence to suggest that this is the case. The following* is a bit of a rambling theory about Elains magics that attempts to link certain pieces of information that we have garnered from each of SJMs series - ACOTAR, CC and TOG - to discuss how her Sight might work to begin with, and how it could possibly be augmented with substances, or even simple implements, to boost or hone its power. Most of what remained of their bodies didnt leave, either. Once the Night Courts enemies entered that place, they did not come out. Please don't screenshot or share this post without credit. Cassian was said to be "Enalius reborn," that he has Enalius's exact fighting style. Please forgive the questionable effort. The Wild Hunt was a way to keep all of us in line. Its a stretch, yes, but it does raise some questions, too. Gwydion's power is described as holy, savior's light. He looked a lot like Erawan when Nesta and Cassian saw his form under the mist. I wondered if the High Priestess Oleanna was a matriarch of the bloodline (mother of Theia? Originally posted by reasonandfaithinharmony, Disclaimer - this theory is simply that, a theory, which may or may not come to pass. Asteri kicked out of Hel; Fionn murdered by Theia and Pellias; 17,002 A.E. Lanthys, the Carver, the Weaver and Koschei have been called death-gods. Additionally, the Illyrian's are descended from/created by Orcus. Nesta hadnt let herself dwell on why shed felt the need to set the rose there. She created a death-sword, just as Theia created/used Gwydion - Bryce's starsword. . Theia and her two children then use the horn to seal the gates. The trickling blood of the two Autumn Court males through the black stone floors grate woke them. I doubt that is a coincidence. The Valg Kings turned their homeland into one of "eternal darkness, cold and ice.". Lothiriel! The first and only High King this land has ever had. Nesta could have sworn the last words were spoken with a sharp look toward Cassian. I rode in the Wild Hunt before you were even a scrap of existence, .. However, Maeve herself makes it very clear: Not all Valg are evil. There were no doors within this ARCHWAY. Maybe this has been clear to others already but finishing ToG really sealed it for me. So what does this all mean? However, you might be wondering how Aidas and Apollion could be Valg, because they have been helping fight the Asteri, have been helping Bryce and Hunt - and the Valg are not good people. I don't find it a coincidence that Erawan was called the "Dread Lord," and that the "Dreadwolves" in Crescent City are referred to as "demons.". saw him assess the field aheadand transform. This is also how Apollion appears in CC2 (but more on that later). Together, both Nesta and Cassian have a tattoo of an eight-pointed star. Redirecting to /r/SarahJMaas/comments/11xuy3p/theory_about_the_daglan_the_asteri_and_the/jd8awej (308) Reddit, Inc. 2023. Maeve: You have seen yourself the power of witch mirrors. A seer, he said, more to himself than us. But Cassian only winked at Rhys. Fionn defeats the Daglan/Asteri and a thousand of peace ensues. Nesta is continually referred to as a "Queen," despite not ruling any lands of her own. Aside from her use of the shadows of an unknown origin to assassinate the King of Hybern back in ACOWAR, she has consistently been linked to other shadows, including Azriels, as well as Nuala and Cerridwen, her two half-wraith friends. It was the creature that emerged from the water details of the creature that now stood waist-deep in the pool, water dripping off its massive arms and elongated, serpentine snout. They were dethroned by Fionn, who gained the sword Gwydion from Olenna, a high priestess, who dipped the Cauldrons weapon into a Made object. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. But right? (A very rough draft). HOSAB. SPOILERS FOR CRESCENT CITY, ACOTAR AND THRONE OF GLASS! Elain has an obvious link with light and sunshine imagery but, if you pay attention, her association to shadows has been building throughout the entire series. There seems to be some connection between Illyrians, Ramiel, the daglan/Asteri, and the Blood Rite, perhaps Enalius? This is what we are told about Valg and their world-walking in ToG: Shed seen it before. I had very similar thoughts about the unknown daughter and her potential association with Eos (Dawn). . I know Im not the only one who has wondered exactly how Elains Sight might function, but last October (I know, this part of the theory is a long, long time coming, and has been slowly developing over the ten months since) I was chatting with a friend when they shared the following quote while lamenting Elains condition at the start of ACOWAR: But Azriel nodded. Daglan and death-god theory : r/acotar - Reddit @manontrashbeak Ive been sitting on that for a while, wondering if it was too much of a reach, even for me. In CC2, when the mystic asked Thanatos whether Connor was in his world, Thanatos curiously says "no wolves have roamed these lands for eons," suggesting that they once did. They were petty and cruel and drank the magic of the land like wine. We know that the Starborn Fae originated from Prythian - if Erawan says the Starborn were in his world also this further proves the Valg's connection to Prythian. After all these nights, I didnt even know their names. Not the dark, blasted realm in which they lived, but worlds beyond that, living atop one another and never realizing it. It was a creature that lived in black pits and only emerged at night to hunt and feast. @offtorivendell theorizes in the post I linked above that the son might be Pelias, which is a fascinating theory. Before the Cauldron swept me away, I beheld what happened to his head, his face. The Blood Rite is a Rite to get to the top of Ramiel and touch the stone. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Teamwork makes the dream work. Daglan and death-god theory Contains spoilers for the whole Maasverse. They are twin portals in Midgard, sealed by Pelias forever, there are only small cracks in what were once the portals. In my post about Theias (possible) secret legacy, I posited that the High Priestess Oleanna could be CCs Helena, because language evolves over time, and the name is derived from Helene (alternatively, Selene or Helios - so it definitely tracks for a child of Theia), but I also love your idea, @wingedblooms, that its a family name, which would mean that Helena was named after her Grandmother, or perhaps another female ancestor. Start of the war between Hel and Asteri (First Wars) Hel and its armies found the Asteri on Midgard; Rift was opened around this time; Sirius killed by the Star-Eater around this time In ACOSF, Rhys pulls out an old book that describes the Daglan: "He flipped it open to a page, revealing an image of tall, strange-looking beings with crowns atop their heads.". It is also why he is dubbed the most powerful High Lord to exist. I think the Asteri and the Daglan could be related, or in a symbiotic sort of relationship of sorts, in that they're both parasites of humans, but they occupy different niches (ie. Massive spoilers for the end of CC2/HOSAB will be discussed throughout, so please read with care. Like like in all those stories and lies we were fed over the wall. - ACOWAR, chapter 27. It was a wasteland compared to the lush worlds where she wanted to travel. Note: In TOG there is also an Old Language of the fae. Her husbands libraries still had knowledge about the wayfarers, about the spells that they used and about the worlds they had travelled to. I also believe Rhys to be Fionn/Apollion/Orcus's direct descendant. You might already be contesting that this cannot be true, as the Asteri are not Valg. Theyre different from the objects of power in the Hewn City? Most importantly, Lanthys has black blood. Illyrians were made by Daglan to be their soldiers. Even with those scarred hands and the shadows that flowed from him like smoke, shed always found him to be the prettiest of the three males who called themselves brothers. The Daglan are a species that were near-gods and monsters. Common angels and archangels often have powers related to rain, storms, and even tornadoes. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Like almost everything I come up with. They had left their homeworld long before that. The Daglan ruled for millennia, enslaving the faeries and the humans. Of course, the question is whether Theia only had 2 children, or might she have had a third, a son. Take a look at how these sisters are almost always depicted in art, and tell me if you see any resemblances Further, when characters are travelling through 'rifts' between worlds, it could be very well be a time rift (and remember the slogan on Elena's tomb; 'Ah, time's rift!'). Anonymous said: Ngl a book about the whole female Fae Warrior who trapped the Bone Carver, the Weaver and Koschei would be cool, or maybe one about the Daglan/Asteri and Fionn/Theia/Pelias Answer:. They ruled for millennia, and enslaved us and the humans. I think the Daglan are a different species. Valg knew how to create such objects. Mor went right up to the obsidian dais A bedroom carved from obsidian .. an obsidian-hilted hunting knife was sheathed at his thigh, its dark scabbard embossed with a line of silver runes .. a sealed set of obsidian doors, veins of silver running throughout. This brings me to the crux of this theory; I predict that when Maeve banished Orcus and Mantyx, they were separated across worlds. As if the understanding, our understanding it freed her from whatever murky realm shed been in. They easily kicked the Asteri out of their world, with Apollion even straight up "devouring" one of the Asteri. This post contains huge CC spoilers below the break - as in incredibly significant, possibly plot ruining information - please proceed with care, and dont read this post if youre not finished with HOSAB. Spoilers: from ACOTAR, CC and TOG series to date. I did write this one before hosab came out, and I should probably update it . House of Flame and Shadow indeed; this was such a good catch. After reading CC2, most people are in agreement that the Daglan and the Asteri are the same beings. It makes an excellent base for exploring the busy part of the Dordogne valley around Domme and Sarlat whilst staying somewhere relatively quiet and peaceful. Livia : Theory about the Asteri and the Daglan, about the - Tumblr According to legend, she created Made objects with the Cauldron. New users, please check the ABOUT section for rules and FAQ. I love all of this! Cookie Notice Also interesting about this, of course, is the parallel to the Archeron sisters. Alternatively, could the Asteri have taken the form of a deity that the early humans of Midgard already worshipped, and then designed the Malakim around that, in order to be better received as deities in their own right? 17018. reasoning: The Asteri are vast immortal beings, they would not use the same timescales reasoning: Wars between Heaven and Hel would undoutedly take longer than 1 year. All rights reserved. Soft steps padded from under the stair archway, and there she was. He knew hed be swallowed by it if he went up to his bedroom, so hed remained down here by the dying light of the fire. If so, the tall, crowned beings mentioned on the page of a Prythian history book (in ACOSF) sound eerily similar, in terms of headwear, to the ancient artwork that Isaiah had mentioned, though I assume Nesta would have mentioned wings if the image had depicted the illustration had had having any. About the young queen turning into a crone. Elain blinked and blinked, eyes clearing again. I don't think I have a full post about Ramiel and the Illyrians post-hosab. I always found it curious that the history of the 3 Valg brothers and the world they conquered (2000 years total), lined up perfectly with the history and subsequent overthrowing of the Daglan (2000 years total). Road map Map Photos Weather Population Housing The village of Daglan is a small village located south west of France. Anything [] For a moment, I thought the Cauldron had answered my pleas. Both feed on power. I believe that world was Prythian. The Daglan. - and the Drop in CC, respectively. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! Fionn unified them and set himself above them as High King. Side note: I have not gone into depth as to how this theory matches the maasverse timeline of events. ), and potentially connected to the sacred trio, or if she was the second, unknown daughter. They are angels created by the Asteri to be loyal servants and soldiers to them. I also theorise that the Princes of Hel are Valg. Then there's the strange black monolith at the top of Ramiel; "Even with the fresh snow crusting Ramiel, none had touched the pillar of stone. To the stars who listen and the dreams that are answered I think this is false, and that Queen Theia and Pelias were actually husband/wife or lovers (and I'll tell you why later hehe). How she might leave. Is such a thing even possible? . There is probably more of their kind locked in the Prison. It doesnt necessarily need to make him evil (even though that is also possible). By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. But, before he dies, Pelias uses the Horn to banish Apollion and the Valg/Princes of Hel/Daglan back to Hel. Theory: The ratio of time VE:AE is 1000:1. Even Rhyss beast form seems to be a wyrdhound. We also have evidence that death-gods were Daglan. He is their King, which is why Aidas, Apollion and the rest are referred to as 'Princes.' The Faelights gilded Elains unbound hair, making her glow like the sun at dawn. I think the Daglan, Valg and Asteri are the same. Do Made items need to be wielded by female heirs, rather than male offspring? But as a black blade broke through the kings throat, spraying blood, I realized someone else had. So the queen began to teach herself. Where as the Asteri seem to feed off the peoples magic. Privacy Policy. Pelias and Apollion fought for that exact same amount of time - 3 DAYS. Maeves world was indeed in ruins. Are the Asteri just trying to power their space cruiser so they can go on crazy fun space adventures?